Meghan McCain pulls no punches with the "Fire & Fury" author over some of the conversations in his book.
Co-host Meghan McCain was definitely ready to play hardball, listing the names of all the people and publications who have questioned Wolff's credibility and asking what he has to say to his critics.
"Let's remember who my credibility is being questioned by," he replied, before apologizing for mixing up the names of lobbyist Mike Berman and Washington Post reporter Mark Berman.
McCain pointed out that her family has also been the subject of a tell-all, referring to John Heilemann and Mark Halperin's 2010 book about the 2008 Presidential Election, "Game Change." She said, "traditionally, in situations like this, it's the disgruntled employers who aren't loyal to their principle that give interviews like this," before asking how she can "trust" some of the quotes in the book when people are denying what's being attributed to them.
"I think you have to look also at the other people who are not denying, the great number of people," he responded. "There's no I in this book, I don't appear in this book. It's not about me. It's about other people's impressions of Donald Trump. When you write a book like this, this is a particular kind of book. New York Times is going into some apoplexy about this, because, probably, I kind of scooped them. We're all journalists and this is what we do. My goal is not to give the explosive things that happen every day in this administration ... but to give this longer view. To put some context, to put everyone in the seat that I sat on in the West Wing, to see this administration from that point of view. To see the forrest for the trees."
After McCain said she would never go to a journalist's house and spill her guts, she asked if the dinner Wolff hosted with Steve Bannon and Roger Ailes in the book was "off the record." Among the statements reportedly said by Ailes at the small gathering: Trump would "jump through hoops" for Rupert Murdoch and Vladimir Putin.
"This was actually an off the record dinner," Wolff confirmed, frustrating McCain. "This is why people hate journalists," she said, "It's why I don't believe in off the record, this right here."
"Yes, I would always be careful about that," he replied, before saying he believed "off the record" went off the table after Ailes' death. "Not long after Roger died, Steve said to me, 'You're gonna put that on the record, you're gonna use that, that was history,'" Wolf explained.
"He is crazy!" a shocked McCain said of Bannon, while laughing. "It's just crazy."